Right now, in the run up to D-Day (Disaster Day) at the end of March, an awful lot is happening. Here at Second Referendum, we have day jobs and can't supply all the political news concerning (exit from) Brexit. This page is a collection of the more interesting news and news that seems pertinent...

by 286 to 344 votes.

MPs have been voting on Brexit options. Here they are...

Brexit Option Minds For Against
Customs union 5  264 272 
Public vote 14  268 295 
Common market 2.0 48  188 283 
Revoke Article 50 55  184 293 
May's Deal - vote 2 75  242 391 
May's Deal - vote 1 116 202  432 
No-deal Brexit 121  160 400 
Standstill arrangement 142  139 422 
EFTA and EEA 157 65 377 

 

In a slight twist, we have ranked the options by the number of MPs who will have to change their mind to allow the option to pass. Additionally, we have added the voting for May's deal, first and second times.

 

 

There was a wonderful solemnity with which people approached the doors of the Cabinet Office to attach their protest sticker. I gave my last Bollox to Brexit protest to a lady who gratefully went up the steps to make her contribution - almost like casting a ceremonial sod of soil onto the coffin of a fondly remembered friend.

Hats off to the police who recognised the need of the occasion and allowed what was effectively minor criminal damage.

I'm pleased I went.

Ed.

On Monday, John Bercow told the government that it cannot send Theresa May’s Brexit deal back for a third vote in parliament immediately unless substantial changes are made to it.

His argument is based on Erskine May - the rules of the house. Some people who don't like the ruling say it's based on an ancient 17th century rule. As if that puts it  into the category of one being fined sixpence for not doing one's archery practice once a week. The point is that a rule that has stood the test of time is a good rule and has been used to guide parliamentary procedure for over 300 years.

No "best of five" for May.

Which highlights the need for somebody to ask why we can't have a Second Referendum now we know all the facts.

Full story in the most excellent The Guardian.

Get the truth from the BBC.

... Jeremy Corbyn sees sense!

We wonder how long before he adds some weasel words and tries to wriggle out of it.

Read more in The Guardian.

 

ps Congratulations to Olivia Colman!

For what seems like forever the PM has been saying the only way to avoid no deal was agree a deal. (see My turn with the gun!) but at about 12:50 on 12th Feb she said...

I'm sorry Mr Speaker, I may have inadvertently misled the house earlier when I said the only way to avoid no deal was to agree a deal. Of course, it is possible to avoid no deal by staying in the European Union.

Theresa May

Hallelujah!

 

Another Brexit referendum will become a "plausible" way forward if there is deadlock in Parliament, Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd has said.

She told ITV's Peston that while she did not personally support another vote, the case for one would grow if MPs could not agree another solution.

Read the full report on bbc.co.uk

The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other 27 EU members. Judges ruled this could be done without altering the terms of Britain's membership.

More on the BBC's website.

The BBC reports that: Theresa May has refused to rule out another Commons vote on her Brexit deal if MPs reject it the first time.

NOT!

Donald Trump has suggested Theresa May's Brexit agreement could threaten a US-UK trade deal. He told reporters the withdrawal agreement "sounds like a great deal for the EU" and meant the UK might not be able to trade with the US.

Read more on bbc.co.uk

The man relied on by Brexit supporters to underpin the economic arguments for leaving the EU has said the UK would be better off staying in the club rather than accepting the prime minister’s Brexit plan.

Shanker Singham admitted “there’s no point leaving the EU” because the opportunities he had envisaged will have been lost. “The upside and the opportunity … disappears, and you’re left only with a damage limitation exercise,” he said.

Read the full article on The Guardian's website

Here's something that seems to have slipped under the news-radar last night (19th Nov). The government accepted amendment 14 and pledged to publish economic forecasts comparing May's Brexit offering with the status quo of remaining in the EU. Thanks to More United, Chuka Umunna, Anna Soubry and many others.

Now we get to see how "good" the deal really is! And don't forget this will be a financial prediction and won't address the other aspects of leaving the EU: visas, security, Erasmus study, environmental matters, roaming charges, EHIC, etc, etc.

So much going on at the moment...

Sorry, teacher. That end of term school project wot I wrote with my friends is shite.
Please can I fail my practical and be sent home?

But on a more serious note, there is too much going on since the Daft Withdrawal Agreement for for us to keep up with it all. You need to go to BBC News or The Guardian.

UK in EU Challenge has assembled a top-level legal team including solicitors and barristers who acted in the successful Article 50 Supreme Court challenge. They have made an application to the High Court, seeking a declaration that the result of the EU Referendum is invalid and asking for the decision of the Prime Minister to invoke Article 50 to be quashed.

Here at Second Referendum we had a few days away and see what happened.

Firstly Arron Banks...

A new cross-party group of MPs plans to thwart Brexit by swinging the Commons behind a second referendum as soon as Theresa May requests parliament’s backing for a deal with the EU, as pressure mounts on party leaders to put the issue back to the people.

Tory, Labour and SNP members say they will table a “killer” amendment in favour of a public vote. The amendment, if passed, will state that acceptance of the prime minister’s deal must be dependent on a public vote taking place beforehand, in which people would be offered the choice of leaving on the terms of that deal, or staying in the EU.

More in The Guardian...

Yes, that's right! Two thirds of a million people made their way to the capital to demand a peoples vote on the Brexit deal.

Or putting it another way

  • 1% of the population!
  • 1.2% of the electorate
  • 1,000 people for every MP/constituency.

And please remember if 0.9% of those that voted leave did so based on false information and would have voted remain given the truth, the result of the advisory referendum result would have been remain.

 

 

So disappointed to have been unable to make it. Ed

Some news that seems to have been slipped out on Friday (12th Oct) is that some companies will be forced to relocate to Europe if there is no Brexit deal.

In the government's latest batch of no-deal papers, one paper, Structuring your business if there’s no Brexit deal, discusses European companies that operate across the UK-EU border. Companies with a Societas Europaea designation may have to leave the country. The paper says these companies "will no longer be able to be registered in the UK ... They may also want to consider whether they wish to move their seat of incorporation to another EU member state."

Read more at inews.co.uk

 

let's fund our NHS instead.

Economy 2.5% smaller than it would have been if UK had voted remain, says thinktank.

Brexit is already costing the public purse £500m a week, new research has found – a stark contrast to the £350m “dividend” promised by the Leave campaign. The Centre for European Reform’s analysis also suggests that the government’s austerity drive would be on the way to completion had Britain voted to stay in the European Union.

Mayor of London’s call for people’s vote adds to pressure on Jeremy Corbyn.

Read the full report in The Observer.

We're getting there!

Members of Britain’s three biggest trade unions now support a new referendum on Brexit by a margin of more than two to one, according to a bombshell poll that will cause political shockwaves on the eve of the party conference season.

Sir Simon Robertson, former Rolls-Royce chairman, speaks out as warnings mount of huge costs of no-deal withdrawal.

A Conservative party donor has called for a referendum to be held on the final Brexit deal, amid new warnings about the huge financial costs of leaving the EU without an agreement. 

Sir Simon Robertson, the former banker and Rolls-Royce chairman, said that he was “deeply depressed” by the direction of the Brexit debate and believed there should be a chance for a vote on the final deal hammered out with Brussels.

The volume of disinformation on the internet is growing so big that it is starting to crowd out real news, the Commons Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee chairman has said.

Now we learn that the official Vote Leave campaign spent more than £2.7m on targeting ads at specific groups of people on Facebook - helping it to win the 2016 EU referendum.

MPs in their committee report said the issue threatens democracy and called for tougher social network regulation.

Read more on BBC News.

Justine Greening has said she believes other senior Tory MPs also support the idea of a second referendum to end a likely parliamentary deadlock on Brexit, after she became the most high-profile Conservative to endorse such a move.

Writing in the Times, the MP for Putney said the “only solution is to take the final Brexit decision out of the hands of deadlocked politicians” by letting voters choose from three options: May’s final deal, a no-deal Brexit or staying in the EU.

Read more in The Guardian.

A campaign to secure a second Brexit referendum within a year and save the UK from “immense damage” is to be launched in days, the philanthropist and financier George Soros has announced. read more...

Daniel Hannan says he would back 2nd Brexit referendum if MPs voted to stay in customs union.

In a nutshell: a leaked document, titled EU Exit Analysis - Cross Whitehall Briefing and drawn up for the Department for Exiting the EU, suggests almost every part of the economy would suffer.

 
Type of Brexit Growth Impact
No deal -8%
Free trade -5%
Soft -2%
Bespoke No analysis

T

Michel Barnier

"During transition the UK will continue to take part in the single market, to take part in the customs union. It will continue to have all the economic benefits therefore it must also apply all the EU rules. The single market cannot be a la carte."

David Davis

"We take the view that it [having to obey EU rules during the transition] is not particularly good democratic practice to have your country accept without any say-so anything, and particularly if the EU takes it upon itself to do something which is actively disadvantageous to a major British industry, or something like that."

So there you have it...

MB: If you want a transition period you'll have to accept our rules.

UK: Oh Dear. 

 

You can read the full article in the very excellent Guardian.

Photograph: Stephanie Lecocq/EPA

An article in today's Guardian (27th Jan) states Britons favour second referendum by 16-point margin

That's all jolly good but diving into the results of the poll we read some interesting detail. If the country voted in a simple second referendum (just  like before) the result would be "remain" by 51% to 49%. That's just the same as the last poll before the first referendum and we know how that turned out.

Before you get all depressed about this simple result of the poll, there is much more detail that shows the predicted tide is turning simply as a result of the natural process of birth and death (see Moving On...) and the "will of the people" is changing.

Mind you, I still don't understand why the government is pursuing this path of national destruction when MPs are supposed to act in the national interest.

Photograph: Peter Nicholls/Reuters

“Democracy is not just about one vote once every five years or one vote once on a particular issue causing all argument on that matter to be considered legitimately shut down. That is not the way democracy works. Democracy is a dynamic concept. People who are on the losing side are not obliged to accept that their view has been lost for ever and they are perfectly entitled to continue to argue for it.”

Read the full article in Voters should be able to change their minds on referendums, says Speaker in The Guardian.

Farmers have warned this year’s harvest of one of the British Isles’ best loved crops – the Jersey Royal new potato – could be hit by a shortage of migrant workers because of Brexit.

You can read more in the most excellent Guardian.

photo: Fir0002/Flagstaffoto

1) Get the government to realise Brexit is no longer the will of the people and is disastrous for the nation - HARD!

2) Get the EU to let us stay - SORTED!

Thank you Donald Tusk and Jean-Claude Juncker.

 

"I’m reaching the point of thinking that we should have a second referendum on EU membership."

A quick note from the editor:

2017 was a little hectic for many reasons but I'm pleased to say that as we enter the last year of Article 50 updates to this site will continue.

Theresa May has called a general election. I won't try to summarise or keep up with all the breaking news. Please go and do your own research. Now, you might think this is the second referendum we've always wanted but remember this: we've now got to win it!

I've changed my mind. It's allowed, honestly.

I don't want a second referendum and this site is no longer about promoting a second referendum, although if a second referendum is needed to get to the ultimate goal that's fine.

This site is now fully Remain.

An Update (October 2018)...

Although the site fully backs Remain, it seems the best way to get this is not to convince the politicians the country got it wrong (because of the lies told). Instead, the best way to remain is to exercise the will of the people who have clearly seen sense - latest opinion poll says 53% want to remain in the EU - and call for a peoples vote and yes...

this site is calling for a Second Referendum.

This is worrying. Goddard-Gunster, a US PR company conned UK voters into voting for Brexit. Gunster claims he was behind the successful slogan “take back control” and was the person who directed the Leave campaign to run a campaign free of facts which played on voters’ emotions, in particular fears about immigration. Read more...

Sir John Major has become the second former prime minister within 24 hours to question the Brexit process, saying there is a “perfectly credible” case for a second referendum on leaving the European Union.

Speaking shortly after Tony Blair argued in an interview that Brexit could be reversed if the public changed its mind, Major said that the 48% of voters who wanted to remain should not be subject to the “tyranny of the majority”.

Supreme Court rules Scotland and Wales can intervene in triggering Article 50. More in The Independent

A LABOUR MP has said he will vote against triggering Article 50 when Parliament is asked to vote. Here's the article on The Independent.

 

Well, I don't think I'd call that news but here's a link to the BBC article anyway.

There is a by-election in Richmond Park and North Kingston on 1st December. One candidate has made a clear policy stance. Liberal Democrat Sarah Olney says, "I am asking voters ... to give me a specific personal mandate to go Parliament and vote against Brexit, and in particular vote against invoking Article 50."

Go Sarah! 

The BBC reports that some MPs are "ready to vote against triggering Brexit"! Particularly: Tim Farron said his party would oppose it, unless they were promised a second referendumRead article...

Crown prosecutors are considering a complaint that the Leave campaign misled voters during the EU referendum campaign. Under UK electoral law “undue influence” is considered a corrupt practice. The offence includes the use of a “fraudulent device or contrivance”. Read more at The Independent.

The BBC has just reported: Conservative Stephen Phillips has quit as a Lincolnshire MP over "irreconcilable policy differences" with the government. Read article...

This website was to promote a second referendum on the position of the UK and Europe and overturn "Brexit means Brexit" (whatever that meant) but...

I've changed my mind (that's allowed, honestly) and this site is now promoting Remain.